I am starting this here to try and get some less emotional responses which seem to come (understandably perhaps) from the one day game threads.

I am not a great statistician but I wonder how many of our horrible losses this season have come after hard fought games the day before. Today's certainly was and I know a couple of others have been and is this too much to be seen as a coincidence?

I know there are people who are going to say that I am making excuses and would support Bumpy through everything etc., etc., etc however I think there maybe something in this.

The mental energy required to get through a game like yesterday must be huge, even if you are only in the dressing room either wishing you had not got out or hoping that you do not have to go in, and I think that this is where the inexperience really shows. It is not just in the batting and bolwing, it is in the mental stuff. That is what sets players apart and sometimes I think has to be learned. The counter arguement to this is going to be well why is Vikram failing, the pressures of captaincy are different and I don't think this is a particularly valid comparison.

The team we have in the four day game is competitive, they are not winning as many as we might like but they have only lost 2 and I think that is a good record bearing in mind last season. I accept that too many times are we battling for a draw but this is a team that IS a team and can dig it's self out of holes.

So why are we struggling in theshorter format. I think the problem with the 40 opver game is that they are spread out and the team cannot change it's mind set quickly enough. ( i use the word team deliberately) and this showed in the T20 as after the yorkshire game (and I suspectthey were just horribly bad and Vikram got in) the results started to improvew. The games against Leicester andf Durham at the end being cases in point. These games came however after a time for transistion which is not available fr the rest of the season as it is a case of swap and swap arounbd between the four day game and the pro 40.

I still think from what I have seen(and I am prepared to be shot down) that this season has shown progress, not in such leaps as some would like to see and not always translating into results but I think there is a nucleus of a team growing together that could hold it's own in a shorter period of time than some could imagine.

I said at the beginning of the season and I will say it again now, there is no point making any real comment for another 12 months on what Bumpy has and is doing. I just hope he gets the chance to proove it one way or the other and is not hounded out by those higher up who think that instant success is the only measure!

I think your main reasoning for poor performance in one-dayers ie chopping between formats without a break is the same for every other team.

Another common reason given is the age and lack of experience of the team. Which is true to a point but the squad isn't that inexperienced. Take today's match v Unicorns. In terms of List A matches there's Solanki on 350+, several within 47-113 band (Kervezee, Moeen, Mitch, Shakib, Andrew and Richardson) and then the four less experienced : Shantry 12, Cameron 7 (got a fifty today), Cox and Choudhry on 2.

You then have to look at the lack of experience and part-time nature of the Unicorn side and have to ask why they can beat us when - if destroys the 'Worcs are inexperienced' argument as Captain Vik said last week. (Although, it has to be said that the Unicorns haven't just come off a four day match so will be fresher).

Because we're consistently poor in one-dayers I think there must be a fundamental flaw in preparation and execution of matches. We've mixed up the players over the years but it makes little difference. This is down to the captain and coach to sort out, it's their job.

Disciplines are magnified in the one day game and sadly we lack discipline in all parts of our game and we are probably lacking a bit of quality with bat and ball in this format

As I said earlier on the other thread, I was not at the match today but listened to the whole game on the radio. From what the commentators were saying it sounds as if some of the Pears bowling was woeful - full tosses, overpitched and wide stuff. All season long our young seam bowlers have bowled a four ball every over, you just cannot get away with it against batsmen who are going after you in the short game.

Xray makes some good points in his message and it must be difficult for the real youngsters in the team to chop and change formats, but it looks like the team are now suffering from a collective failure of nerve in the short format game. But the bowlers have got to learn to bowl with more discipline over line and length.

What gave a little of the game away for me is that the Unicorns matched us stroke for stroke through the match- including balls onto and over Offmore Lane and into car parks.

Except in the overs where we faltered- the Unicorns remainded consistent.

You have to take a deep breath and ask yourself what you expected of the team at the start of the season. In all honesty I expected us to be everyone's whipping boys in all competitions.

I was pleasantly surprised by our progress in the championship before the start of the 20/20 campaign, but disappointed that we have not consolidated our position.

As for the T20/CB40 - abysmal! You have to wonder whether money spent on Steve Smith and Sanath Jayasuriya was justified. I never thought we would have the bowling to defend anything more than a modest score, but I thought (still think) that our batting should have got us over the line in more (any?) matches than it has.

I think Vik's absence through injury has been crucial - it has not only robbed us of our most effective one-day batsman but also disrupted the rest of the batting order.

Next Three P40 games at New Road- Glamorgan, Unicorns and Somerset - We are still capable of winning games especially the next two. Come on lets turn this around and try and get some momentum

Totally agree with you here HC. I might be tempted to give young Chris Russell a workout in some of the remaining P40 games.He can hardly do much worse, and it would give him some very useful experience of first XI cricket too.

Agree with that. I wonder if there any halfway decent bowlers available for a loan?

No pace in our attack thats the major issue! Mason, Shantry, Big Al all bowl less than 80 mph!

I agree with snippets of various posts.

Like Henry, I too did not have great expectations for this season and have been satisfied with the early part of LVCC campaign, though we have lost a bit of impetus in the last couple of games.

And although I did not see all of the CB40 Sussex game last week, it was frustrating to be up with the run rate after 8 or 10 overs or so, and then lose those 2 wickets in one over; especially Alexei's which was poor discipline at that stage.

If we spread the net a bit wider (and go off topic on this thread), how many county supporters across all the counties, can be ecstatic with their side this season?