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Brian P

Number of posts: 485 Age: 55 Location: Hartlebury Registration date: 2008-09-07
 | Subject: Twenty20 a passing fad? Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:01 pm | |
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|  | | johnnymax

Number of posts: 239 Age: 51 Location: Just behind square Registration date: 2008-12-11
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:29 pm | |
| He has caught the essential flaw of T20 nicely, and it is now really only the cricket fan or the new one timers that go to see what it is all about. Less is more as they say. The essential thing that made it different was that it was seen as a good thingto do on the way home from work and to then finish in the pub later - now its just too often - and too expensive - particulaarly in the current economic climate. There is however a growing and disturbing increase in the populist press promoting the idea of the 'super county' or 'district' side, which is a serious concern. What I think they essentially miss however is that supporters of counties such as Worcester and the other so called minnows aren't gonig to transfer their allegiance to another location once their existing one is removed. They just won't go to county cricket any more, they will potentially seek out the B'ham League venues at the weekend as their means of getting a cricket fix or just not bother, because it isn't necessarily about the cricket entirely, it is about the ambience, the pleasant surroundings, the view, the quiet solitude of watching a peaceful game in the most beautiful of settings. New Road fits the bill perfectly. I like the seaside, but I don't go and stand at the docks in Liverpool to get my sea air - I head off to the Dorset coast to sit and contemplate the sea. Cricket at one of the Metropolises grounds would be the same thing, the cricket is there, but the atmosphere isn't. |
|  | | Tim Hall

Number of posts: 1467 Age: 46 Location: Cardiff Registration date: 2008-09-06
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:04 pm | |
| Completely agree with Brian P and johnnymax. Spot on. Well said, both of you (and Mr Samuel, with the provisos already mentioned). _________________ My first match: Headley, Turner, Stimpson, B d'Oliveira, Hemsley, Yardley, Ormrod, Wilcock, Gifford, Holder, Carter
(JPL v Essex, 18/7/71, WCCC won by 8 wkts)
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|  | | Glenochil
Number of posts: 319 Age: 65 Location: Slurrey Registration date: 2009-01-20
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:18 pm | |
| I totally agree with johnnymax, too, and I've got nothing more to add, but it just gives me the opportunity to include the names of those in the Worcs team for my first match!
_________________ My first match: Kenyon, Peter Richardson, Dews, Bird, Broadbent, Louis Devereux, Yarnold, Grove, Perks, Ashman, Flavell (and people moan about long tails today!) v Pakistanis, 8th May, 1954. Worcs lost by 8 wkts. |
|  | | Tim Hall

Number of posts: 1467 Age: 46 Location: Cardiff Registration date: 2008-09-06
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:25 pm | |
| Lemurs don't moan about long tails. Jack Flavell, from Wall Heath, where I grew up. Not familiar with Grove or Ashman.... _________________ My first match: Headley, Turner, Stimpson, B d'Oliveira, Hemsley, Yardley, Ormrod, Wilcock, Gifford, Holder, Carter
(JPL v Essex, 18/7/71, WCCC won by 8 wkts)
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|  | | Glenochil
Number of posts: 319 Age: 65 Location: Slurrey Registration date: 2009-01-20
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:01 pm | |
| Charles Grove was an import from Warwickshire, I believe - fast medium right at the end of his career, nearly bald as I remember! and probably played for only one season. Ashman was slow left arm, but he didn't play for more than 2 or 3 seasons. Tall with ginger hair, if my memory serves me correctly. |
|  | | Tim Hall

Number of posts: 1467 Age: 46 Location: Cardiff Registration date: 2008-09-06
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:15 pm | |
| Thanks for that! _________________ My first match: Headley, Turner, Stimpson, B d'Oliveira, Hemsley, Yardley, Ormrod, Wilcock, Gifford, Holder, Carter
(JPL v Essex, 18/7/71, WCCC won by 8 wkts)
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|  | | Sunbeam
Number of posts: 292 Age: 57 Location: Brighton Registration date: 2008-09-15
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:31 pm | |
| How many of those aged under 50 on this forum learnt their cricket , notably Worcestershire cricket , watching the sunday league in 70s and 80s , which was , in effect , the 2020 of its day ? All , I am sure , are now avid followers of 4 day cricket from which I am suffering withdrawal symptoms. The product life cycle of 2020 is likely to be considerably shorter but will , hopefully , generate some life time followers. It is obviously too early to tell but if it doesn't it has clearly been a failure except for some short term revenue. I cannot remember my first game but it was probably 1959 , as I had difficulty in pronouncing Outschoorn's name. |
|  | | Tim Hall

Number of posts: 1467 Age: 46 Location: Cardiff Registration date: 2008-09-06
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:17 pm | |
| Yes, watched lots of JPL in the 70s and 80s. Started watching 3 day in 76ish during school hols (but not that often, Wall Heath to New Road not that easy on your own when you're 12!) _________________ My first match: Headley, Turner, Stimpson, B d'Oliveira, Hemsley, Yardley, Ormrod, Wilcock, Gifford, Holder, Carter
(JPL v Essex, 18/7/71, WCCC won by 8 wkts)
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|  | | Serchers

Number of posts: 3660 Age: 100 Location: Worcs Registration date: 2008-08-11
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:20 pm | |
| Ave crowd of 3000 at Birmingham is dreadful. Most of the article has been lifted from this forum - which is why we all agree with it. Totally spoilt by the need to start discussing regional claptrap and I couldn't help but think that the T20 section was just a preamble to support his flaky last few paragraphs. No mention of Sharon. _________________ WCCC : County Champions Elect 2012
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|  | | WBB

Number of posts: 3164 Age: 40 Location: West Bromwich Registration date: 2008-08-14
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:38 am | |
| I got into cricket watching Sunday League on BBC2 in the 70s...Peter Walker and Jim Laker and two cameras...I remember when one took a four at Moreton-in-Marsh and got smashed: they had to carry on with just one camera and lots of long distance shots  ..those were the days. ...except that they don't play county cricket at Moreton-in-Marsh anymore, do they? Cricket is slowly giving up its outgrounds- although Yorks., Lancs., Glam., Middx. and even Slurrey [to be fair] are holding that flame alight. Martin Samuel's article really taken from this Forum, Serchers?? |
|  | | Henry Crun

Number of posts: 696 Age: 51 Location: Past the Wheatsheaf and turn left Registration date: 2008-08-14
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:49 am | |
| I first saw Hicky at Moreton-in-Marsh - a lovely ground. On the subject of 20/20 - it ain't going to go away -nor should it. The reason that crowds are declining is due to the counties' greed! Who else voted for the structure of the competition this year. Too many games - it's not rocket science (well, not for those of us who aren't county chairmen) Revert it back to what it was - something that can be played in a three or four week window and hey presto! the crowds will come back. |
|  | | Serchers

Number of posts: 3660 Age: 100 Location: Worcs Registration date: 2008-08-11
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:52 am | |
| | WBB wrote: | Martin Samuel's article really taken from this Forum, Serchers?? |
MS refers to a few current problems with T20, most of which was predicted and discussed on here over the past couple of years. The phrase 'reap what you sow' comes to mind ! |
|  | | Glenochil
Number of posts: 319 Age: 65 Location: Slurrey Registration date: 2009-01-20
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:55 am | |
| | Serchers wrote: | | WBB wrote: | Martin Samuel's article really taken from this Forum, Serchers?? |
MS refers to a few current problems with T20, most of which was predicted and discussed on here over the past couple of years. The phrase 'reap what you sow' comes to mind ! |
...as do the words 'goose', 'kill' and 'golden egg'! |
|  | | WBB

Number of posts: 3164 Age: 40 Location: West Bromwich Registration date: 2008-08-14
 | Subject: Re: Twenty20 a passing fad? Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:53 am | |
| Oh yes.... I read elsewhere that the movers and shakers are talking about converting it to a April- August Friday night competition....'leave work, meet your mates, come to the T20 and have some beers'. Or the giant beer garden approach- as some might say..  |
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