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WBB

Number of posts: 2948 Age: 40 Location: West Bromwich Registration date: 2008-08-14
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:37 am | |
| Just to point out one flaw in George's argument- any Player whose County accepts the jurisdiction of a board other than their Home board of control [the ECB] or any Player independently playing under another jurisdiction cannot be prevented from playing cricket in the UK[Woolmer v. Test and County Cricket Board]- but can be barred from playing for England- ie. the pirate tours to Saffer of the 80s.
What player gives up the right to play for the Ashes? Be it the Packer or the Saffer rebels, all had had glory and then wanted cash. You simply do not do it the other way round. |
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Hotels before players
Number of posts: 573 Age: 48 Location: Worcester Registration date: 2009-05-21
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:14 am | |
| Franchise cricket ? No surer way to kill off interest in cricket. Manufactured results by manufactured teams with no rivalry or tradition to speak of. |
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WBB

Number of posts: 2948 Age: 40 Location: West Bromwich Registration date: 2008-08-14
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:22 am | |
| Agreed...I can't imagine myself supporting any merger with the Bears.
Occasional matches as a collective- well, there is a precedent...during World War Two, Middlesex/Essex and Surrey/Kent merged for the duration and played with combined squads against each other- but even then stayed separate for matches against the Forces, Met Police and their own county leagues etc. |
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Hotels before players
Number of posts: 573 Age: 48 Location: Worcester Registration date: 2009-05-21
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:32 am | |
| WBB, I'm delighted that we agree. The thought of going to Edgbaston to watch some " pick n' mix " regionalised outfit play another - no thanks. |
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WBB

Number of posts: 2948 Age: 40 Location: West Bromwich Registration date: 2008-08-14
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:35 am | |
| I've said on here for over a year now that we can expect some regionalisation for some form of the game. My bet is for T20- and with Gloucs. Stick an occasional match at Colwall or Luctonians and call us the Three Counties Bulls- because Bull markets are the successful ones and the Bear markets are the flops! ...but only if we have to. And not for the Championship. And heavens- not with the Bears! |
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Kim
Number of posts: 212 Age: 56 Location: Oswestry Registration date: 2009-06-09
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:22 am | |
| "And heavens- not with the Bears""
Come om WBB. You'like us when you get to know us. Our optimism amd sense of fun will win you over. We have a little competition every year about when the first despairing cry of "come on Warwick" will come echoing out of the stands.
The 2007 season (it came after the 4th ball of the season's first over) remains the benchmark. |
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Kim
Number of posts: 212 Age: 56 Location: Oswestry Registration date: 2009-06-09
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:19 pm | |
| Amid the rubble of Worcestershire's 2009 campaign, the batting of Alexei Kervezee was one of the few beacons of hope.
It was not that Kervezee scored particularly heavily - he averaged just under 30 and passed 50 twice in eight championship matches - but that he promised so much for the future. Composed, compact and, clearly, extravagantly talented, he showed enough signs of quality to suggest he has a bright future in the game. If you could buy shares in people, Kervezee would be the sort on which you should put your shirt.
Perhaps that's no surprise. Several years ago the respected coach, Ian Pont, suggested there were "shades of Graeme Hick" about Kervezee and he has long been tipped for the top. 2010 could be the season that he starts to deliver.
Certainly that's what Kervezee hopes. "It's very flattering to be compared to Hick," he says, "but I don't think anyone will ever achieve the things he did. He's a freak of nature.
"I've a long way to go. This season I'd like to really cement my place in the championship side and I'd like to break into the limited-overs side."
Despite admitting to some difficult times at New Road last year, Kervezee is encouragingly optimistic about Worcestershire's future.
"Last season wasn't easy," he admits. "It's never great playing in a side that doesn't win and there was stuff going on in the background - with players leaving - that wasn't ideal. It was all a bit shambolic.
"But, having come through it, I think we're stronger people. Those experiences have brought us closer as a group.
"Maybe we won't win loads of games this season. We all know we're in a rebuilding phase and there's only one way we can go.
"But I truly believe that this squad of players can go on to win trophies together in a few years. We're just too strong - too good - to go through the same things as last year."
If Kervezee is to play a full part in that resurgence, he knows he'll have to convert his good starts into large scores. In his last 11 championship innings of the season, he passed 20 eight times, but never went on to score more than 54. That suggests a problem of concentration more than technique.
"That was frustrating," he admits. "I showed myself I could do it last season, but I didn't turn all those starts into big scores. That's something I'm looking to put right this year. I've not score a first-class century yet, but I know that will come. I've been close a few times."
Though he doesn't qualify for another 18 months, Kervezee's long-term ambition is to play for England. He's already represented Holland in 26 ODIs - he rates Malinga and Vaas as thebest bowlers he's encountered - but hopes to use all that experience to benefit Worcestershre and England.
"I've always considered myself more Namibian than Dutch," he says. "I was in Africa until I was 12 and then in Holland for about five years. Now Worcester is my home.
"There will be a few times when there's both Holland and Worcestershire want me to play but, as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather play for Worcestershire. I may miss one of two games this season, but I'm almost sure Holland won't have preference when it comes to the Pro-40.
"There's no better way of learning than playin at the highest level and I can honestly say I've never felt out of my depth or as if I didn't deserve to be out there."
And what if he had not become a cricketer? "At just the time I signed for Worcestershire, I was attracting attention from one of the big football clubs. So I guess I could have been a footballer.
"Maybe it was financial madness to chose cricket, but I've always enjoyed it more than football. It was an easy decision." |
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WBB

Number of posts: 2948 Age: 40 Location: West Bromwich Registration date: 2008-08-14
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:59 am | |
| We really do need to sign this chap up long-term: make him well and truly part of the furniture at New Road. |
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Serchers

Number of posts: 3357 Age: 100 Location: Worcs Registration date: 2008-08-11
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:42 pm | |
| Thanks for the post Kim. Interesting stuff from Tulip there, particularly that he sees himself as more Namibian than Dutch. Plus, it looks as though he'll play for Worcs instead of Holland if there are any fixture clashes.
But I've still got big concerns over this guy making it, don't know why. I hope I'm wrong. But if he does score a 1st Class century in the county championship I'll personally deliver a bunch of tulips flowers of his choice to the guy. |
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asia exile

Number of posts: 797 Age: 36 Location: India Registration date: 2008-09-10
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:16 am | |
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Serchers

Number of posts: 3357 Age: 100 Location: Worcs Registration date: 2008-08-11
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:41 am | |
| I wouldn't expect the ECB to do anything else than 'scare' people with worst case scenarios. In fact, they're so concerned about the loss of TV revenue that they spend an eyewatering £500,000 to prove their figures.
If revenue drops, then you cut costs accordingly. Touch decisions. But they just want the easy money, period. In the past I would have been concerned but not any more. All I see is a sport with more cash than ever before and yet clubs have higher debts and losses than before. Madness.
Meanwhile, while don't the ECB look at the other key numbers. When Sky showed the last Ashes the average daily audience was 438,000. When the BBC showed the 2005 Ashes they pulled 2.2m per day. That's an extra 1.8m people who will be inspired to watch their local county team play, join a local club etc. |
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the_elegant_yak
Number of posts: 122 Age: 29 Location: Stafford / York Registration date: 2008-09-09
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:51 pm | |
| I heard that if the ashes tests go to Sky then the county system will have to be cut back to 6 teams, cricket will be abandoned by all schools and the England team will all have to share one cricket bat. |
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xraysteve

Number of posts: 963 Age: 37 Location: Worcester Registration date: 2008-08-09
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:43 pm | |
| | asia exile wrote: | Re. threatened counties
The England team will face a major cut in funding and four counties will disappear if home Ashes series are preserved for free-to-air television, a report has warned
Several articles on this subject but only the Telegraph suggest a number. Nobody is naming names.
| Quote: | | The usual suspects, however, like Northants, Leicestershire and Derbyshire, are unlikely to be the ones to go the wall. Those counties operate at profit, but it is some of the larger Test-ground counties who are footing the bill for ground-expansion projects that would be most at risk if the ECB figures are an accurate portrait of a future without Sky’s millions |
So, not the usual suspects then???
Who (profitable or otherwise?) is in the gang of four?
Yorks?, Warks?, Lancs? all in debt and all undergoing redevelopment?
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The telegraph did not name names but suggested that the usuall names (Nothants, Derby and another I cannot recall but not us) would not necessarily be the ones to go to the wall but the bigger clubs with large debts because they have embarked on large redevelopement projects. I suspect that the reason that Worcester are not in this is (sorry Hotels and Rupert) probably because the business plan does not rely just on pulling in crowds twice a year for tests but has a year round revenue stream attatched to it. |
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Kim
Number of posts: 212 Age: 56 Location: Oswestry Registration date: 2009-06-09
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:10 pm | |
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englishcat19

Number of posts: 961 Age: 38 Location: Essex/Suffolk border Registration date: 2008-09-06
 | Subject: Re: DobellWatch Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:15 pm | |
| Ridiculous.
We never had this debate before $ky telly.
Cricketers will have to go back to earning just over what the average working man does, instead of 12 times the amount _________________ I am an architect, they call me a butcher I am a pioneer, they call me primitive
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